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So You Wanna Record A Big Band — Redux

March 15, 2010 in Articles

Back in October 2008 I did a post that estimated the cost of getting all the gear to have a recording rig for your big band. Now, lets take a look at if things have changed.

The original post I went with an Alesis HD24 which was $1600 then. Its the same price now. For preamps, I went with the PreSonus’s DigiMax D8 which were going for $450. Now they go for about $400. We need three of these to give us 24 tracks. For mics, I had two options. Option one was 13 Shure 57s with stands and cables. Then they were $124 each. Now they are $109. Lets keep it simple and stick with that option.

Case for the PreSonus preamps and the Alesis. Its still about the same, $200. And we will keep the same snakes, which are still the same price. We need three of them. $200 each.

Running total now is $5017. Before it was $5412. The only real price difference was the DigiMax D8s and the Shure Mics. We still need to add in drum set mics which haven’t changed in price ($400), and two Rode NT4s, one for the drum overhead and one for acoustic piano. They haven’t changed in price. $530 each. And two SKB mic cases, which haven’t changed in price either. $150 each. And you need a vocalist mic, a Shure 58, which is $99, was $109.

Final total…..$6876. A year and a half ago, it was $7277. The single biggest cost are the microphones. I went the Shure 57 route due to cost and their reliability, but there are alternatives out there that are cheaper. And there are alternatives that are more expensive. If money was NO OPTION, I would probably replace the 13 mics used for the horns with Sennheiser 421s. However, at $299 not including stand and cable, replacing the Shure 57s with these would about $3887 and that is NOT including cables and stands. However, the microphones are really THE thing to spend money on.

So, it is slightly cheaper to get the gear. This is for all new stuff too. If you are internet savvy, you could probably score most all of the gear off Ebay or Craigslist or you could get the scratch and dent deals or open boxed ones. This could lower the costs by hundreds of dollars.

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So You Wanna Record A Big Band…..

October 29, 2008 in Articles

So, I’ve been working on this CD for a big band I play in. I have no idea how much it cost to get the person to record it, multitrack, and a couple of sessions. I’m thinking at least $6,000….if not more. So, say you have ProTools (or something similar) that can handle 30 tracks of audio. How much would it cost to get the equipment to do it yourself…..let’s figure it out……
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AKG C214

May 26, 2008 in News

AKG has a new mic out, the AKG C214. From the press release:

Based on one of the most successful studio mics released by AKG, the C 414 model, and using all the feedback that during 30 years they have received from its users (maybe they could release a new version earlier, but…), AKG has released the C 214 Condenser Recording Mic, that includes some of the features of the models which is based on and some improvements that does not make it a expensive mic affordable only for big studios.

The AKG C 214 Recording Mic is a single capsule model that features cardioid polar pattern, 20 Hz to 20 kHz frequency response, from 12 to 52V phantom power, 1” edge-terminated large diaphragm, ultra low noise circuit (that includes a suspension to reduce the mechanical noise), rugged double mesh grill (to protect it from high radio-frequency signals), switchable bass cut filter, switchable pre-attenuation pad (up to -20 dB) and 3-pin XLR output.

This mic is specially good for vocals and miking instruments or amps, both in stage and studio, and comes with a shock mount and a carrying case. The AKG C 214 Recording Mic will be available after the AES show and its price will be $600.

I have two C414s (a ULS and an EB…..don’t ask why I need two, I just DO….or think I do). Honestly, I can’t think of the last time when I put them OUT of cardioid pattern.

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Portable Recording Studio with your iPod?

January 13, 2008 in News

Belkin has a product coming out that looks rather good. Belkin Podcast Studio.

Belkin Podcast Studio is an advanced attachment for your iPod to add high quality recording capabilities. Dual XLR and 1/4-inch channels offer a solid range of recording options. A built-in mic and speaker are powered by their own battery, saving your iPod juice better used for listening to your genius later.

Engadget has some more pictures of it.
Seems no one knows if it has phantom power or not (probably not), and it seems to be 16 bit. Though, if you hook up a iPod Nano to it, and have 4+ gigs of free space, that would easily give you 6 hours of 16bit 44.1Khz recording.
Two potential problems. First, battery life. If it is iPod battery powered, who knows how long it will last. Plus, if it has phantom power on the XLR plugs, that would probably kill the iPod’s battery in no time. Recording on my Marantz flash recorder using phantom power pretty much kills 8 AA batteries if I record 3 hours of stuff.
Second problem, Windows formatted iPods. You can’t get, as far as I know, over 2 gigabyte files on a FAT formatted drive. I tried copying Pirates Of The Caribbean on an FAT (PC) formatted iPod that was 2.6 gigabytes in size. The iPod did not like that. Mac formatted ones didn’t complain.
So, it’s an interesting idea, especially since most everyone already has an iPod, but until we see it actually come out (June?), we can only guess.

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Shurenotes

October 12, 2007 in Articles

I mentioned before that I get this email letter thing from Shure every now and then. Well, the latest issue is out, and it gives some stereo micing techniques tips.

There is also an archive of all the previous ones. Great, free information.

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Michael Brecker Article in Mix Magazine

August 5, 2007 in Articles

In the July 2007 issue of Mix Magazine, there was a little article about the recording session for Michael’s last album. Some more insight into this album, Michael, and how they recorded it. Two microphones on Michael (U67 (vintage mic) and a Coles 4038 (ribbon mic))

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Sax Amplifiers??

November 16, 2005 in Articles

Pimsoul writes “I play in a band, on alto sax. The think is, because the drums are loud the bass and guitar is loud, so i have to play loud too. But I can’t always keep up with loudness, so we thought about amplifieing my sax. Because it isn’t good for a normal guitar amplifier to use it for saxophone i’m looking for an alternative. I thinking about an amplifier for sax, but do they even exist? So yes, are these things expensive (when you compare it with the quality)? If they don’t exist, what are the other alternatives?
I would appreciate replies very much, thank you!
Kind regards, Pim
(excuse me for my bad English)”

There is not a “sax amplifier” per say. What you can use is pretty much any type of amp you want. Or a self powered speaker. Keyboard amps work great, something like Rolands KC350. Really depends on how much money you want to spend. And you would need a microphone as well, something like a Sennheiser 421.

But you might consider asking the other guys to play down at 11 rather than 13. If you can’t hear yourself play in a band, you have to wonder what the long term effects on your hearing (not to mention sanity). Is it worth losing your hearing to play really, really, really loud?

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M.I.P.A. Winners

April 27, 2005 in News

mipa Musikmesse International Press Award 2005 posted its winners. Some of the highlights:

  • Best Innovative Product – Apple GarageBand
  • Best E-Drums – Roland TD-12 V-Drums
  • Sound Libraries – Apple Jam Pack (though I’ve heard Garritan Personal Orchestra, and it’s amazing)
  • Mixing Desk (Project Studio) – Yamaha DM-2000 (beat the Mackie Onyx 1640…interesting, though the Yamaha’s list price is $20K compared to about $1800 for the Onyx 1640)
  • Studio Microphone – AKG-C414 B-XLII
  • Recording Software – Cakewalk Sonar 4 (beating out Logic 7 and Ableton Live 4)
  • Recording I/O Devices – MOTU 828 MkII
  • Recording Hardware – Digidesign Protools HD (no surprise)
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Mark VI Alto “Varitone”

February 27, 2005 in Articles

gmichael writes “I recently purchased a Mark VI with the Varitone setup. I was wondering if anyone has, or knows where to find the original Electrovoice microphone that came with the Selmer Varitone Sax.”

If you have Googled it, or Ebayed it, I suggest putting it your watch list on Ebay. Something like “Selmer Varitone” in both title and description. Right now there is a guy offering a whole tenor setup with the Varitone. If you wait a while, you might find what you need.

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Shure Q&A

September 26, 2003 in Articles

I get this Shure email newsletter. Usually it doesn’t contain anything useful. This time, there was a ton of useful information. Why does Proximity Effect occur, How to mic a piano, The difference between SuperCardioid and Cardioid, and Matching the impedance of a microphone to a mixer (not to be confused with impotence which some guys suffer from).

There is also some great, free material from Shure available here. Enjoy!

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AKG C414B-ULS

May 10, 2003 in Reviews

&Since I started recording my students, I have become fascinated with microphones. I never paid much attention to them before, they were the thing you needed close when in a recording session, or the thing you needed close during a gig.

It’s very interesting stuff to me how they work, and why they sound a certain way. I started off my “collection” with a Nady SCM1000 microphone, then progressed to a Shure 57, then a Shure Beta 57, then an AKG C1000, then a Sennheiser 421. All of them sound different. Not bad, but different.

The Nady was just too noisy (self noise), but I liked the detail it could capture. The Shure 57s sound ok, but they don’t seem to do justice to the overtones that one can get when playing saxophone. ..

AKG C414B-ULS

The Beta 57 was a little better. The tighter pickup pattern (hypercardiod) was good, as bleed-over from the neighboring drum studio sometimes happens with a regular cardiod pattern. But the Beta 57 seems a little too unnatural sounding to me. The AKG C1000 captures a full spectrum (up to 20Khz. Shure 57s go to 16Khz I believe, and Betas go to 17Khz), but after using one for a couple of months, it seems to me to fall into the Beta 57 category. It doesn’t sound natural. Not that it sounds bad. None of the mics sound bad. They all do a great job capturing sound. The Nady would be excellent if it didn’t have such a high self noise issue (well, for $100, what do you expect?). It’s just that I wanted something that sounded like what I heard when we laid down a track.

Perhaps after doing a lot of student recordings, and recordings in “professional” studios, I was developing an ear for it. Anyhow, this quest brought me to a Sennheiser 421. It’s the mic that you see Lenny Pickett from Saturday Night Live use (I dunno about currently, but in the 90s he used it). Great sax mic, I think it does an excellent job capturing a sax sound. But, it seems to lack in the higher overtones. I mean, I’m one of those people who can hear those high pitched noises that like most everyone else cannot hear. In fact, there is a neighbor down the street who has this insect or animal repeller thing that I can hear when I drive by.

ANYHOW, back to the topic. Mics. So, my arsenal had grown to consist of Shure 57s, Beta 57s, AKGC1000s, a Nady SCM1000, and a Sennheiser 421. Generally, I’ve been using the Sennheiser on saxophone, and the AKGC1000s on flute and clarinet (mainly cause of the higher frequency pickups). But, I wanted more. Should I invest in a Neumann 87 which is the “studio standard” mic? That would be a huge investment, probably at least $2,000. I couldn’t justify it.

Which brings me to the AKG C414B-ULS. I have known about it, and it’s advertised as “the most well-known studio condenser microphone in the world”. Yeah yeah. Advertising. But, after watching a DVD about the making of the producers, and seeing that the mic used to record the 1st reed player was indeed an AKG C414 (at least it sure looks like one), I decided to investigate more. AKG sent me a multimedia CD called “AKG Mic Test”. On the CD there are tracks were they compare 5 mics on saxophone. The C414 is one of them, but it doesn’t sound the “best” to me compared to some of the others (C12VR and C451B). But I’m not sure if that is because of the mic “adding” something or not.

After some debating, and figuring out how much I owed the IRS this year, I decided to invest in an AKG C414B-ULS. Luckily AMS has this addicting 3 payment plan. The mic came, and I must say, it is what I was looking for. It sounds great on sax. I’d say better than my Sennheiser 421. It sounds great on flute, and on clarinet. The difference between the AKGC1000 and the 414 on flute is subtle but noticeable. I think the biggest difference is recording clarinet. I finally am happy with clarinet recordings using this mic.

Ok, to sum up, since this seems to have become a rather long rant and history session about Eric’s microphone experiences, the AKG C414B-ULS is a great mic. If you’re going to do some home/small studio recording, this would be a great investment. If you plan on recording flute, clarinet, and saxophone, this mic is the one. Yeah, other mics will work too. But if you want one mic that can do it all, I think I’ve found it. It’s the AKG C414B-ULS. Unless you want to spend $2,000+. Then you’d want a Neumann U87.

Update: 05/11 20:23 GMT by E :Oh, these “tests” were done on a Mac G4 cube with a MOTU 828. All the recordings were done at 48Khz. Yes, I can hear a difference between 44.1 and 48Khz.

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Microphones Reviewed (With Sax Sounds)

February 27, 2003 in Articles

In my never ending quest for information on microphones, and recording, I came across this site which has some great clips. It’s German, but the guys did a nice job with playing the same thing into a bunch of different mics. They however seemed to like the Russian mics (which I’ve never heard of) over even Nuemann mics. The Mics I was interested in hearing, the AKG 414 and Rode NTK, are on the page and sound great. Anyone else have any good sites for comparison of mics and sound clips?

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Preamps, Capsules and Range

January 12, 2003 in Articles

Digital Prosound is an interesting website that sometimes has articles worth reading.

The first is a brief but informative article about “Capsule Technology and Types“. A good read about what microphones are made of.

The second is about PreAmps. This again pertains to microphones. The general opinion in various books and articles I have read seems to be that the preamp really has more to do with how a recording (vocal or instrumental or whatever) sounds than the microphone. I’ve read A/B comparison articles that guys swear a Shure 57 ($79 mic) and a kick ass preamp sounds better than a $500+ microphone. This article is an excerpt Dan Richards forthcoming book “The Project Studio Handbook“.

The last article entitled “Now Hear This” is an interesting read about using sample rates higher than 44.1Khz to record and listen to music.

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Microphone Demo CD/Free Guide

November 18, 2002 in Articles

I am always interested in different microphone and technologies for capturing sound. That could be some of the reason for the growing inventory of mics I have.

AKG has released a FREE enhanced CD that lets you hear the differences between it’s microphones.

"The main goal of this enhanced audio CD is to provide the reference points that are needed for the consumer to make a more informed and, ultimately, better purchasing decision. Listeners can hear for themselves the uncolored difference between microphones on many different instruments.

On saxophone they used the C2000B, C3000B, C414B-ULS, C12VR and C451B. Needless to say that the more expensive the mic, the better it sounded. However, the difference between the C2000B (which sounds good to me) and the C3000B is quite apparent. I was a little disappointed that they did not use a C1000S on saxophone. In order, I like the C451B the best, followed by the C414-ULS, C2000B, C12VR (that and the 2000 are pretty damn close) and then the C3000B. The C3000B sounds bad on saxophone.

The CD does not include any flute tests, and just two clarinet tests (C2000B and SolidTube). It is an interesting CD and very well done.

M-Audio also has a very informative PDF about choosing Mics and recording.

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Clip on Mics

May 29, 2002 in Articles

saxtyrant writes “i was wondering about the sax clip on mics, does anyone know what brands are good and where is a good place where i can look for some? Thank alot!”

I don’t have any experience with clip on mics. However, from what I’ve gathered, there are a lot of choices. Prosoundnews.com had a story about the Tower Of Power horns using AKG Microphones. Shure also has a a new Clip on microphone that comes in a wireless version.

As for a place to buy the gear, Musicians Friend is good, as well as Sweetwater.

Anyone have any recommendations on wireless mics?

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